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I was considering writing about gender for this blog post, and sort of ranting about how I didn't actually think Brett was a vessel for Hemingway's critical analysis of gender roles as we had seemed to consider in class, but more of an embodiment of them. I was thinking about all of our discussions, and how people were making good points about her masculinity and behavior being a sign of Hemingway's role reversal, but also how we could draw conclusions that argued she was really a tired trope, and realized quickly that my thoughts were getting all knotted and lost. It took me a while to figure out why I couldn't really decipher stuff, and then it hit me, and i was like "yo, I can't come up with any solid arguments or sort out my thoughts cause they're aren't any solid arguments! Nothing is solid with this book besides straight up textual stuff!! I wrote a 1600 word blog post on nothing at all!!" (it was a dope post but the point still stands)
I got to thinking and this is what I came up with: you can theorize as much as you want with most books and root your ideas in the text, the thoughts. But this book skimps majorly on personal thought and deeper emotion, peels the text itself back to the absolute basic -- verb, noun, subject, object. Getting at that kind of serious analysis, therefore, is really difficult. Now, it's definitely possible; we can allow ourselves to read into the text and through that bring out some really cool ideas; but a lot of the time they're for sure ideas that get dragged out of the novel, not gracefully presented. With most literature, theory is based mostly on a few quotes from the book and understanding the context it was written in, and we could do that with The Sun Also Rises. We could totally do that -- but to a limited extent, and in a very particular context. When I began reading this novel I really didn't like it; Hemingway writes in a way that, alone, it's hard to draw ideas out of. It's a really surface-level style of writing, that I didn't pick up on when I was reading on my own. In-class discussions were awesome, but had those not been presented as a different lens to look at the book thru, I most assuredly wouldn't have taken away the greater ideas and concepts I ended up getting from this novel.
So, why did Hemingway like writing in the tip-of-the-iceberg style? I'm about to go totally out of line, but it really reminds me of the way Stephenie Meyer, the author of the Twilight series writes. They both strategically use a vague style to allow us to fill in where we will; for Meyer, its her main character Bella; the reader can essentially push themselves in to her silhouette and project onto her their own personality and experience as they see fitting. For Hemingway, it's the reasons, the conclusions, the motives, the thoughts, all of that stuff. Hemingway allows the reader to think to themselves, "why did this character do this? What is the larger context of this? How can I explain this to myself?" He wants us to fill it in on our own, answer our own questions to a large degree. It seems to be taken as a really smart move, kind of creaking into modern literature and theory and stuff like "oh man, Hemingway was so smart he made YOU decide what the book was about," but I found it to be really tired after a few chapters. It also made me think of the fake deep phenomenon, which is honestly best described by just looking at how people quote fake deep stuff on twitter. Basically, you front like you're saying something thoughtful and multi-faceted, but... you're not really saying anything. Hemingway followed that path, for me, because he allowed everything in this novel to be up to reader interpretation outside of the most basic aspects and character traits. It just didn't feel like he was actually saying anything solid, but instead provided a vessel for the reader to float their ideas on. Some people find this book to be super macho and sexist, others think it looks at deeper emotions and gender role reversal. And the big thing is, you could argue for ANY of those points, because it's such an open-ended novel. Sure, I wrote a giant post about how gay Bill and Jake are, but I could also spit one out in a few hours about how straight they are; how their fishing trip was just them hanging out and bonding with no connotations outside of that. This writing style got on my nerves because it came off as Hemingway trying to point a mirror at the reader and inspire their ideas to be pushed into how they understood the novel, but it just ended up, for me, being too open -- things were just blank in a lot of the text. The point I'm trying to make here is that this novel is whatever you take from it, it's anything you want it to be, because Hemingway didn't really say all that much; literally and metaphorically. I see it as a bad thing because I feel like Hemingway is using the method of presenting the novel as being "thoughtful and deeper than it looks" to actually not write anything meaningful and not really make any points. But hey, it's your decision on how you take it, you're the reader after all!!
Ha @ the Twilight comparison. I too am interested in the significance of Hemingway's writing style, and I agree that he's so incredibly ambiguous that you can essentially project any view that you wan't onto his characters (as evidenced by our widely varied responses to the book in class discussion and in the articles we found for panel presentations). I have a theory that Hemingway did this on purpose to drive home his whole point about irony. To use your example, you can take the fishing trip as some bro-time, or spin it into the punchline of some joke about hyper masculine Jake actually being gay, or anything in between. In The Sun Also Rises, irony has this weird duality in which it finds deeper meanings in commonalities and but also undermines the whole concept that life itself is meaningful. I think Hemingway was trying to accomplish something similar with his book. Like he's writing an irony Bible or something.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of when in Mr. Ernstmeyer's class people were getting upset because Mr. Ernstmeyer was getting hardcore into the explication of "Paradife Loft". Everyone was getting angry how he was drawing conclusions from the most minimal pieces of syntax, line breaks, stanza shapes, and alliteration. His point eventually was that Milton may not have intended for those particular details to evoke the things that we (or more likely Mr. Ernstmeyer), yet it was more interesting and valuable to see what it does just by itself. I think that can be applied to most books, including SAR, so its really what you make of it regardless of if the author intended it or not. There are too many layers of communication barrier for anyone to be certain. Do watcha want.
ReplyDeleteHemingway absolutely goes ambiguous for several themes and plot lines of the novel. However, I don't think it warrants generalizing the book to be "trying to be deep" on all cylinders. For one, I feel that concept of trying to be deep and cool is a fairly new one. It's just part of Hemingway's surface level style that emotional aspects are left out of direct description. Instead, he gives special attention to certain passages of time to let the reader infer conditions and emotions of characters. Like Jake's love for Brett for example. Its a super complex entity of The Sun Also Rises, but by giving it plenty of situations to show itself (the first Paris club scene, setting her up with Romero, coming back to get her) we get an excellent and thorough picture of it. Perhaps that's just me reading inbetween the nothings like you said, but there are many other non-literal concepts of the book I feel like I have a grasp of, even through Hemingway's style.
ReplyDeleteYou make a persuasive argument here, but I'm not sure I totally agree with it. It's true that Hemingway writes in a very open-ended way, which makes it difficult to understand whatever nuance there may be. However, I believe that Hemingway was actually writing with meaning, not intentionally being vague to make people attribute undeserved deepness to it. Now, there's still a lot of room for theory-crafting, but I feel that some of those theories are definitely more supported by the text than others. Also, it seems that from what we've learned in class, Hemingway said the Earth was the hero of the book. He has opinions about aspects of the novel that are separate from many of topics we discussed, which implies that he is not just accepting the meaning people throw at him. He knows what he wrote about, and although it is difficult to eke complicated ideas from his sparse narration, I believe that there is more there than you are attributing to him. That being said, I can't know for sure, and you did a great job arguing a difficult point. :)
ReplyDeleteInteresting argument. I agree on some levels, I think that sometimes people read too much into literature, especially in the case of Hemingway. However, in the case of "fake deep," I'm not sure his writing, or at least his writing in The Sun Also Rises, is even deep at all, let alone "fake deep." He makes statements that can be perceived as deep insights into the human psyche, such as 'It is awfully easy to be hard-boiled about everything in the daytime, but at night it is another thing," but I think that what he states simply is true. There might be more to it, but to me, his statement just summarizes what a philosopher might spend years and hundreds of pages describing. Also, his style of writing characters and actions is also not necessarily deep in the way one might think. Sure, you have to read further into it to see what the people are thinking, but that doesn't mean that Jake or even Hemingway is making incredible insights and discoveries about the human condition. In real life, we can't tell what other people are thinking and so we have to infer from their actions and tone of voice, etc. Hemingway is just depicting what everybody does, in writing. I don't think that makes him deep. I just think it makes him realistic.
ReplyDeleteI've always thought that many of the arguments about themes or symbols in novels have been greatly exaggerated. I imagine the author sitting at his desk or wherever and staring at his writing and thinking, "This one word within this long sentence filled with 20 commas and semicolons shall change the entire novel! It is important that the reader understands the significance of a wooden pencil compared to a pen." As a person who isn't really big on being emotional or philosophical, it has always been a struggle for me to interpret texts into such depth. Going back to The Sun Also Rises, I can see your point on how it may be about nothing at all and I agree about 40%. Yes, Hemingway is vague and can be interpretted in many ways (although I probably would've have just read it and gone, "Hmm."), but after the many discussions we have had in class, it's hard to say that it's about nothing at all. Jake's injury, for example, obviously has some significance on the book and his relationships with the other characters. Seeing as many Hemingway's other books have been praised for their themes and characters, it's very unlikely that there isn't a double meaning within The Sun Also Rises. Yet, for those less able to draw conclusions from the text (like me), it can be difficult to find those arguments. No matter how we read the novel, the story still produces opinions about the characters and the plot. In the end, you can't help but wonder what it all means.
ReplyDeleteI think you're point about Hemingway's style is definitely valid. His tip of the iceberg narrative often leaves too much room to work with for the reader. I think that it's important to remember that Jake is the narrator too. Jake as a character does get emotional, however, he is one of those people who does not enjoy being too open about his personal experiences and feelings. I guess this explains why this narrative voice was also very difficult for me to process and unravel. I often find myself trying to "figure" out people who internalize all of their emotions. On the surface they can sometimes come across as shallow or "fake" (even though I don't really like that word). When in reality, just about anything can be true about them. They may feel angry, upset, jealous, disappointed, satisfied. It's up to whoever this person is interacting with to decide what's going on in their mind, much like a reader trying to form opinions on this book.
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